By There are major gaps in all the TTs that need to be addressed. Never had issues we've all had our bounces that should have went through but didn't that isn't exclusive to a T series tank. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. An uptier will barely affect the performance of an M18. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. That's just how a downtier works no matter the battlerating. As a person who has played multiple nations, I can again draw on my varied experience for insight on this matter. Panthers has not too much problems in their brs. Example, an M18 is freaking fast compared to a Panther or any other German Tank of that tier. It kind of creates this all-or-nothing theme, which is kind of sad if we're trying to have a serious discussion here. Just look at the Tiger 1H how many Heavy Tanks at 5.3 can roll up to 45 almost 50Km/h. Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. Still a lot more intuitive. The only way the Germans can use their strengths to dominate such maps is with good teamplay. However, due to WT map design, with most maps being rather small and generally favouring brawling, this advantage is often countered by the allies more versatile vehicles. Or this amazing times when you play the tractor simulator trying to get you slow vehicle to this surprising spot which takes you forever, and hoping that noone shoots or bombs you on the way there. Then yes, M18 would be toast. The reverse speeds of all of these tanks mean you must step forward progressively, rather than figuring on advancing and reversing on a whim with them as you would with others. Germany is being denied their AA roof mounted guns because "They would make no difference". In a case of 1535,9 it was established that an individual who suffered particular damage over and above that inflicted upon the general population could maintain a separate action for damages. Been consistent honestly. Penetration isn't everything and it's wrong to assume that a heavy tank should be mostly immune to everything they face of similiar or lower BR. It's best to make do with what you have at the moment plus its amusing flanking with big bulky vehicles. Threads 63 Messages 220. . I would just shoot breech, then driver/engine, and then if whatever I was shooting was still alive I would just wittle down it's last crew with the excellent reload and lolpen APDS. Samuel Tito Pessa. If you check old war images of M4 tanks, you will see that not all of them had turret mounted .50cals. Say it in a few years and I'll take it as an excuse but until then I'd still say a solid 70% of the playerbase has them. T28 with 305mm of frontal armor at 6.3? is getting boosted taking them out requires specific loadouts and concentration, which makes the CAS player very susceptible for enemy fighters, this is further exacerbated by the poor balance among the nations at different br.s. The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. And just to be fair, the introduction of M41 to the German tree has improved the situation dramatically. 4. Penetration analysis is bugged with AP and APDS. Meanwhile the M18 will be sitting in the ambush or going around the cap into your back because he know that you will not dare to cap. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. Thank you for your attention and have a nice day! pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. And their armor won't save them. To say that Germany suffers over this is wrong. But yes, if manage to get in a flanking spot undetected you can flank with it. If you don't. question. It's just that the slow/tall/heavy tanks are usually on the bad end with the current level design. What? I "like" how you start out this topic with some kind of meme-theme, that there's nothing to it more than it being perceived as "suffering!" And if you talking about the swingfire it's not a good vehicle. Because they know that there will be most probably a trap when they arrive at the cap point. Theirs only one stabilized apds atgm thrower and its premium. It doesn't cover up that much of a hull you can shoot it reasonably well. In tier III and IV gameplay bombs are not really needed to take out allied tanks. I am obviously not among the greatest pilots out there but I am decent from what I found on thunderskill and I have to say this is plain wrong. Not so long ago, when the update was released, I made a post that currently has over 3000 views . Other options like FW's with 1000kg bomb drops are just too bad in a fighter role, as well as the Me 262 Pulkzerstrer. You cant carry against so many players. While the M18 can potentially be used for flanking regardless of tier--this is true of any vehicle--it is also a vehicle that can be wiped out even by lowly 1.0s. Germany should rely on armor but more often than not it is countered with vehicles that can lol pen. Sit in cover, spot an enemy in third person, pop out, shoot and repeat. With the (by my understanding) more recent ai changes in air realistic battles the ai is now invulerable to most guns, this also led to a lack of engagement in the maps that were made to adapt the changes, are there plans to change the current player-a.i. I will keep the scope of this topic to relate to BRs 1.0 to 7.0 in RB, with the primary emphasis being on 4.X-5.X. The second was the Persian Gulf War era Challenger 1, which was the British army's main battle tank (MBT) from the early 1980s to the mid-1990s. This line comes up in many venues and references many things--but what does it mean? If a person is to look at other trees and seek to understand the problems they face, far worse MM can be found. Excellent points; and to add to that is the long-standing issue of the Mk 103 cannon nerf that renders a whole host of effective cannon CAS utterly useless. Not meta. Asparagus can be eaten raw as well as cooked, it is used as a remedy for urinary . Also the air tech tree actually is borderline OP too. All in all, these things boil down to the sort of trade offs that are to be expected. When I review the player profiles of those in the matches I am in, I commonly find such single nation players are the ones who struggle the most. It was introduced in Update "Red Skies". And the overwhelming sense of hopelessness when the enemy team finds outhowithappened, that moment alone is to die for. The stock ammo for them is useless! Come on, you know that your arguments is purely theoretical and doesn't work on most WT maps. Also .50 cals have too much pen, loosing light tanks and all sorts of AA vehicles to those is no fun, especially if other nation just have to rely on their main guns. Again as stated before in other threads it is an option it is not viable in most instances as you typically just die. Nobody likes uptiers and Germans are no exception--but theyre not suffering any more than anyone else. If we're going to go with just the general platitudes then it's kind of a boring discussion that you would clearly be winning if we don't take a deeper look at the issues with German mobility other than "keeping pace", whatever that means. Sohow exactly do I do that? Thus, links were forged between the crime of public nuisance and the tort of private nuisance at an early stage in the development of the common law. I'll have to talk about CAS soon I suppose. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. While it is true that many people, with all sorts of involvement in other trees, play Germany it is also true that many of the people who play the German tree only play the German tech tree. It allows for the a pilot to manually set several engine-related perks on the aircraft while on the fly, with the most important being the radiator and the fuel mixture. Same procedure as with Panthers. I mean this thing has a chance to kill KT frontally by spamming around the turret ring and it can take out the gun barrel within 2-3 shots.When the M41 of a German player is destroyed, well you can go panther which is not the best when it comes to maneuvering, or perhaps a puma which can get shredded by .50 CAL. Oftentimes, if left unharnessed, the cannon birds have better potential to destroy multiple targets. While I played my Germans at 5.7, uptiers beyond 6.0 were very rare. T__ turret has double layered spots where it goes as high as 300mm, angled cheeks, and is straight up thicker even at it's weakest points. I wouldn't say its off topic at all, map friendly brawling options fallsintocategory's the suffering community thinks Germany needs and in the upper low MBT department East Germany is suffering as the tanks are missingaltogetherlike some other nationsvehiclesand that right there is the very definition of "Suffering". . He can easily continue flank and pen King Tigers from the side. Background: I am a guy who plays all nation with Germany being my single most played nation. I bought the premium centurion to grind britain and rarely had this problem. do we not have a tank yet? No, it really isn't. As someone who has played all nations, I have had the opportunity to play with and against German tanks. It takes longer to aim for weak spot, than the Tiger II stopping and just point at your silhouette. No matter how well you argue or what evidence you cite, you will inevitably be attacked by the people who cling to beliefs of German victimhood if you speak out against it--the believers dont want to hear dissent--just know about that. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. Turret is 200mm at it's weakest and will bounce if the enemy angles or is at long range. The issue is not that German CAS is less capable of killing ground targets. (Saint Nicholas Bible, CIVIC Worship The Good Book, & Queen Elizabeth II Bible are the same book with 3 different Spitfires can see the issue. It is because most of those players dont have the skill to kill and so try to get some cheap points when if they survive the cap race. How do you bounce on a flat piece of armour? Step forward progressively, oh how I haven't seen that argument before. 2. What about T95? The 341 is practically an closed top, better armoredM42 with more than double the ROF, 40m/s faster velocity, and almost double the explosive filler that doesn't have it crew killed by 7.62s and doesn't explode from a stray bullet hitting it's exposed ammo. Noone does the same with panthers. On 11/02/2020 at 01:49, Stuhlfleisch said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers!". If it's perfectly fine as a comparison, then why is CQC fighting the rulewhen GJ is designing maps,while we clearly can make it a more interesting battle if every nation can face their strengths and shortcomings on the battlefield. While the M18 can potentially be used for flanking regardless of tier--this is true of any vehicle--it is also a vehicle that can be wiped out even by lowly 1.0s. Still more enjoyable than japanese start off. Most guns can penetrate it from the front. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. As a mainly (90% of battles or more) German player I have to debunk one thing. Well that's it I guess. I'd love to hear an in depth explanation of why you think that. You have to be reactive rather than proactive and take advantage of mistakes made by allied players. In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? But Germany has little to complain about compared to the French. If an M18 is careening down a street and a Panther materializes at the end of it and takes a shotit's not going to be a good day for the M18. Yeah, how is that even an argument? Other nations have a lot of fast backups with good guns, like the M18, T114, M50, ASU 85, Falcon etc. And we can't skip over the SPAAs either when discussing counters against CAS. encyclopedia. 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