I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. So move on. Brewer changed his mind. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. As I stated towards the beginning of my response, Im taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. The lack of balance and objectivity. I cant believe anyone even believes or even follows you. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. View Robert Knickerbocker's record in Tucson, AZ including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. No. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? All Filters. In a perfect world this would always be the case. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. In reply to Kit Search for birth, death, marriage, divorce, US Census, and military records. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. Considering that the daughter she murdered will never get a second chance, it will never be long enough unless its for her entire life. The GSR? I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. This whole case is flawed. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. What kind of arrangement is appropriate, where should you send it, and when should you send an alternative? I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. The only living witness to the crime was Christie, whose stroke impaired her speech and made her unable to speak to police. Every single one. Consider offering these words of comfort if you're not sure what's appropriate. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. Local police alerted the public to be on the lookout for a dangerous man with a gun as the toll of the attack on Downs and her children became clear: seven-year-old Cheryl was dead; three-year-old Danny was permanently paralyzed from the waist down; and eight-year-old Christie was clinging to life, having suffered a stroke because her blood pressure was so low. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? They never tried to reunite them with family. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. They checked her shoes and they were clean. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. This site is provided as a service of SCI Shared Resources, LLC. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. Robert Knickerbocker in Tennessee We found 5 records for Robert Knickerbocker in Woodlawn, Saint Augustine and 2 other cities in Tennessee. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. He was interogated but, the police never had a reason to doubt him. Diane is not a killer or a liar! They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rules book, I feel exactly as you did. And with hindsight, the fact that this young mother had a personality disorder probably brought a lot of drama to the mix. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. Downs had only been living in Oregon for six weeks when it seems she just snapped. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Christie said that her mother had pulled the car over on the dark, isolated road, retrieved something from the trunk of the car, and started shooting at her and her siblings. She was the prosecutions only hope. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. You can believe what you like. . so which one is it????? For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. 2023 Cinemaholic Inc. All rights reserved. No OTHER reason. In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. For more on this case, watch the "Fatal Attraction" episode of Investigation Discovery's Deadly Women on ID GO now! She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. No way. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. A. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. Her quest for love had landed her into an unstable and loveless marriage. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. ..a little over year before the shooting had a surrogate babypregnancy and giving the baby awayumits donnoits the gal already had a fragile mentality.may not have been the best idea. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. I agree with your comment. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. Thanks for the link. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. Ive done my research. (520) 293-.css-1y2reja{color:transparent;position:relative;z-index:12;text-shadow:0.1rem 0.1rem 0.6rem #089FE4;}JPTD, aka Robert C Knickerbocker, Robert a Knickerbocke. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. Mr. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. It is called a conflict of interest. Results for this person or the person you are looking for are not guaranteed to appear in search results. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Robert K Knickerbocker. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. What about the facts of the case? Lives in Dallas, TX. Resides in Woodlawn, TN. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. There are documented cases of suicides where the person has no GNR, as well as murder cases. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. Robert Knickerbocker first came into the eyes of the investigators when, upon arrival at the hospital to visit her children after the incident, Diane phoned him looking extremely calm. It should have been investigated further. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. She was found guilty. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. When she returned to the hospital, Downs was informed that Cheryl was dead, but her other two children had survived the attack. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. That makes no sense. There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. Robert Knickerbocker was never a suspect or a person of interest in the case. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. One of the important pieces of evidence was the absence of all but a trace of gunshot residue. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. Resides in Scottsdale, AZ. That was the extent of her investigation of Dianes side. Find Robert Knickerbocker's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. They should have stayed out of it instead of contributing to her revictimization. Did u learn nothing?? It surely was not due process. Although the .22 used in the shootings was never found, police found unfired bullets in Downs home that had the same extractor marks as bullet casings found at the crime scene. It was in Mesa that Diane had an affair with a coworker and became pregnant yet again. 6. To plant trees in memory, please visit the. He then left !his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. For Downs, this was the last straw in a series of culminating disappointments in her life. 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