Growing public awareness of controversy linked to Kanakuk camp began early last year. I did have some extended family leave the mission field after about 20 years when they were required to sign the BFM 2000. the wife had an M.Div so lead worship and preached while her husband was working the bush. places like Bob Jones, SGM, etc. It is hard to believe we were fooled. I mean, I live 4-5 hours away, so maybe its more familiar to me, but its well known apparently outside of the area, yes, enough to make it onto the simpsons lol. Yet, given his heart for victims expressed through articles and tweets, I think many do consider him a victims advocate. These are two entirely different things. In this video you will see Kanakuk leaders explaining under oath what they knew years before Newman was arrested in 2009. 18:6), In response, Kanakuk filed their own motion in opposition to the amended petition. Accusations of sex abuse tied to Newman and Kanakuk have made headlines recently as two journalists with conservative online news site The Dispatch published a report on March 28 that asserted the Newman scandalwas more widespread and systemic than previously understood. An anonymous "John Doe" plaintiff who says he suffered sex abusewhile he attended a Christian youth camp based near Branson recentlysued a former counselorfor civil damages. There are powers that are ancient and evil that we cannot see that lie behind the scandals that we can. ", "When that was normalized, when masturbation was kind of an inroad to what he wanted to do with boys, () To me, he kind of made everything else OK," Hoffpauir said. It doesnt surprise me to hear this. I think churches should be much quicker to fire staff who make reckless negligent decisions, like fellowship did though. He had to practice church discipline on a 35 year member Dr. Nan Hawkes and drive her from the congregation. However, it is because of Pete, that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. Im just going to post it again for new readers affected by this story. . Would that even work? The Calvinistas look to me like militant political pseudo-conservative evangelicals. And to gather Intelligence to use on their next targets. "We took off," Hoffpauir said, referencing himself and his wife, Madison. Not those who are actual victims from church cover up. He sold mini busts of himself at one convention back in the 90s(?). More:Kanakuk issues new statement on camp child sex abuse; survivor calls it 'disgusting'. if NOT, I have to ask what IS the deal??? And the name Branson, MO sounds vaguely familiar. I have ordered three of his cartoons for my home as well and have one in my living room. I dont think they are a biblical movement at all, but just use the Bible as a way to get gullible Christians to join. Peter Newman and Camp Kanakuk . Then law firms got in on the action. I pray frequently for Petes victims healing, and that Pete remains in jail while here on earth. This camp, and its leaders, are clearly not following basic Christain principles, and we need to shout this from the highest mountaintop. Kanakuk Ministries is a holder of numerous ministries, most notablyKanakuk Kamps,[1]a large Christiansports campbased inMissourithat has been operating since 1926. ", "A lot of times he called me by my last name," Dygert said. If you mean that a person is personally responsible to God above all else, then certainly that concept was taught, and that is what I see on google. They obviously do not care what it says nor do they think they will ever suffer these consequences. Been there, have the memories to prove it. We must fight the good fight. Just Like Disneyland or Vegas, Except CHRISTIAN(TM)!, (Tip: Just like fill-in-the-blank, Except CHRISTIAN(TM)! is NEVER a good sign.). Of course there are some similarities and some overlap on some issues. There always has been a small percentage that are good and a larger percentage that are not. The first civil lawsuits against Kanakuk and former Kanakuk Kamps Director Pete Newman alleging sexual abuse are filed on behalf of a Jane Doe and John Doe in Texas federal court. Many of Sammys victims only knew Sammy through the LifeWay CentriFUGE camps. He has not, to my knowledge, been accused of any sex crimes. That church, and their pastor, Lee Roberson, would have personally pounded any counselor playing naked basketball with campers. Plaintiffs accusedother Kanakuk officials, including owner White,of being aware that Newman had abused kidsyearsbefore Newman's criminal conviction. Ive never been there, but Ive heard descriptions of christianized shows and activities. And I found something interesting: Historically there have been two archetypes of Antichrist: The Fanatic Persecutor and The Slick Deceiver (easily symbolized by The Beast and The False Prophet). I very much appreciate what Brian has said because I think he speaks for a lot of young staffers who believed in Petes character and his testimony and were heartbroken at a deep level when they learned that Pete had betrayed so many. What a beautiful description. I cried. The real church following the real Jesus produces disciples who grow in the FRUIT of the spirit, not the mere knowledge of some religious system. My daughter now preaches at an Evangelical Covenant church, the denomination this evil man belonged to. On the friedman quote, I share your political concerns, but I thought it was applicable to these church cases too. Drove out the Communists and got the Taliban. https://www.gofundme.com/pxs5dk. I dare you to even try.. The Dygertssettled. Ive seen it happen. http://www.khou.com/news/local/texas/camo-n-cream-ice-cream-new-flavor-from-blue-bell-inspired-by-camouflage-trend/312403852. I wonder how many more will be done with the institutional church because Bryan Loritts then hired the guy and minimized his crimes. Is there something to this as a part of the problem? Newmans inappropriate nudity and private sleepovers with boys were not disclosed to the public, including John Doe IXs parents until after Kanakuk was sued by one of Newmans sexual abuse victims in 2011.. You just put your finger on the problem These people are too busy running around, putting on a show, that they cant bother with a simple thing like, say, telling folks about Jesus Christ. It all go so fancy. Most who take them on are paid to file or hoping for a keep quiet settlement of sorts to pay for their time. We are reverent in that place. They specialize in educating churches about abuse. That is one of the foundations of the faith, yes. It has no bearing on the mans crime and guilt!! Kanakuk will forever grieve the victims of Pete Newman and their suffering and continue to pray for their healing and restoration. Ive sat through youth ministry volunteer training with MinistrySafe, and they get it. They also tend to avoid thinking about or looking at troubling things (see no evil-hear no evil-speak no evil). no Jonah there then. "Your voice gave me a voice," Hoffpauir said he told journalist Nancy French after reports on Kanakuk by Frenchand her husband, David French, were first published last year by The Dispatch, a conservative-leaning news website. As an old socialist (FDR style) who also believes in free dialogue, I like to be in the know about the ideas of those who dont believe as I believe. Newman admitted he betrayed the trust of underage boys and their parents when he held naked bible study in his hot tub, where he performed masturbation with/or on the boys, performed oral sex with the young men and played naked basketball with the youths. Anyone who works with children is supposed to be fully vetted yet these places use this contract or volunteer status as a way to avoid responsibility. No kidding! I knew Pete from Auburn. I heard all sorts of stories from extended family with all our ties to SBTS back then. I harbored no notions that it was safer because it was smaller and closer to homeshe was able to bunk with a friend and I was just ready to loosen my reins a little for her. Oh, sorry, Dee, never mind, you already addressed this. I think there is definitely an old boy network with the pastors. Of course there are some similarities and some overlap on some issues. But not "Christian" groups, they cover it up, ignore it and move on!! I get trying to weed them out on the front end and that is good but we are dealing with master cons. They honestly believe the leaders have the answers. The 501(d) has since dissolved. Oh boy, do they listen! I once saw my manipulator younger brother spend FIFTEEN YEARS on a Long Con of personal revenge against our stepmother. I think most view it as sinners sin and we are helping with redemption. ", In the book, White characterized masturbatingas "a release for a boy when his hormones get 'too hot to handle.' He does have a conviction about suing churches. . some of you say he should go to hell? Hm. I could rant more, but I am just singing to choir with you all.. retaining a person on staff who is a child predator and actually has been arrested for that is bad PR! They kept Sammy on staff up until his arrest. A genuine person will never be invested in making you think theyre so wonderful. Ive read so many cases in the news now, Id be paranoid to take my kids to church or have them involved in any Christian stuff. The Slick Deceiver is Anti in the sense of being an imitation of, and works from the Inside. I dont think they have nefarious motives at all. A civil lawsuit filed lateragainst Newman stated that Newman abused 57 underage victims linked to Kanakuk. They are really parsing words instead warning the parents and students? Just an update and hopefully this doesnt get overshadowed or lost in the mix : )I just told the place where I take care of the horses that I need to step back from feeding. I would go one further and say that its a popular vacation site for christians and conservative folks who like tradition. The aura or attraction that people feel for personality-disordered (or character-disordered) people is an attraction to something that is a lie, as you said. So long as it was just those awful Catholic Papists and their anti-Christ in his pointy hat, they (protestant fundagelicals) were as smug and confident as Joshua encircling Jericho. The Fanatic Persecutor is Anti in the sense of being in direct opposition to, and comes from the Outside. The Calvinistas look to me like militant political pseudo-conservative evangelicals. I just told her that I would never send mine to any camp without their phone in this day and time.knowing what I know. It is better for him if a millstone is hung around his neck and he is cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble. But alas, Im too much the free-thinker and free-spirit to go the whole enchilada by conversion to Catholicism. He currently resides inBranson, Missouri, with his wife, Debbie Jo. Its considered very family friendly. fear & insecurity, need and desire for money, power, & significance is behind it all. Most of these cases are taken on a contingency fee basis. I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. . Maybe when this season of life has passed, I can investigate Orthodoxy. Well known Christians send their kids there and parents like to stand around, pointing out the celebrities on Parents' Day. I look forward to reading what she has to say about the sexual abuse coverup in the church her ex-husband, Joshua was senior pastor. Then I read the story. How can you be a victim advocate and prevention for businesses (churches)? I think this leaning on leaders is contingent on an absence of education and training in the working of God-given moral conscience as a part of Christian formation. Youre either one of them or youre not, and its such an economic driver.". Like the Parasymp organs of the Heirarchy (a corrupt religious dictatorship) in Fritz Leibers Gather, Darkness! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVI3bmN8TI. In the summer of 2003, the petition says, Newman lured the children with a yellow jeep into "spending time with him on Kanakuk property.". Pattersons group threw out some critically-needed controls on their own power when they attacked (or allowed attack on) diversity and soul competency, I think. A Dallas man is suing Kanakuk Ministries and its former camp director Pete Newman for negligence, fraud and emotional harm related to sexual abuse. man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Here is how he is listed in Wikipedia. Outright lies. No one can exile us from that except we were to do it ourselves, God forbid. Nope, we are tithing units and the enemy. NOBODY will EVER believe yoU! and as backup support when things get sticky (Friends in High Places, like Facilier the Bokor in Disneys The Princess and the Frog.) And justice on earth as it is in heaven is something God has called me to. The aura or attraction that people feel for personality-disordered (or character-disordered) people is an attraction to something that is a lie, as you said. Most judges throw them out. Sheesh, adults are hard pressed. But what happens to them? I think every person wants to imagine that the tares, goats, and wolves in sheeps clothing are somewhere else, not in their own circles, certainly not anyone they know personally. ( take out the war like metaphor and think take on life). Also, Greg Love was interviewed on WFAAs broadcast about my former church. Fingers in the ears, la la la la la la If I dont know, I dont have to deal with it. Joe Whiteis aspeaker,author, and currentCEOat Kanakuk Ministries. Last I heard he converted to Catholism. Huh? Do you think this one is simple good ole boy network/nepotism? BRANSON, Mo. Add to that the kids have not only been molested but have gone through a psychological brain washing and twisting with undeveloped brains. But fixing the heart? So the new rule concerned her for several reasons one of which she did not know the new volunteer youth leaders (seminary students) well at all. Karis Trippe, senior electrical engineering at John Brown University and former counselor at Kanakuk in 2018, said the camp did mention the incident at camp through the sexual harassment training she took in her counselor orientation. Im glad there is a witness who says he/she will come forward if leadership lies about what went down. I think its the ole carrot and the stick trick. When did that go by? Fast forward. many Calvinista leaders believe that God is so with them and their election and awesome leadership that nothing bad could ever happen to them. And they might not be able to really process everything until well into adult years. Like Steven Furticks mega chronicling the expense of how many breath mints Pastor and Staff consume each year while remaining silent on where the money for Pastors estate and mansion came from? Imagine women screening someone hired to serve at the Church the safety of their children would be their FIRST concern, which is as it should be. Also, my church ordains women. Schools and other public agencies used this training material as well. I want to thank the former attendee of this church for revealing the following information. The YMCA pays for the service they receive but there is not the problem of the Christian brotherhood. We have more options on the prevention side than we do in fixing the heart, so it makes sense to concentrate there. The leadership, that knowingly invites the sick predators near children, has an even GREATER responsibility for what happens as a result. We mostly went to the amusement park, which has been there since 1960, according to wiki. When Dygert and Hoffpauir's families learned of the abuse, it caused them to be "damaged from the inside," in the words of Dygert's civil lawsuit papers. Pete was what a Christian should look like. I really dont think its doing the pedophile any favors by surrounding him with children, either. ), How can those of us with Jobs and Lives and other things than 24/7/365 Self-Promotion compete with that? Its getting so hard to hold on to faith. Thanks, LawProf. They cop to a much lessor offense at the podium and then the pew sitters tell each other how humble their wonderful pastor is. I dont think youre wrong for being skeptical. Top/down authoritarian polity churches dont fire their leaders. Real leaders are humble and they are transparent. Patterson might have been a politician, but his staff was pretty academically diverse. We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. @ BeenThereDoneThat: And isnt there ongoing lawsuits? Its really not religious. I dont even think these powerful men ever think about the damage to the least of these.. And this busi about getting expert witnesses to downplay the boys trauma, that makes me want to smash their faces with my fist. Alpha Male/Herd Bull/Paterfamilias has absolute sexual rights over the entire Herd. Its shocking the first time. But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. And so he's like, how big is your circus tent? Not that God is not always present everywhere. It does help for those going through the grieving process to visit from time to time and sit quietly. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. it is almost impossible for a cult situation to develop where submitting to authority is man-dated. It also offers an all-ages family resort, along withday camps in eight states including Missouri, Illinois and Texas. Much appreciated! The people have a right to know. We need to bee SEEN! I wish to thank again all of those who have websites and our choosing to shed light on these church scandals. Our informant, having heard about the Newman situation,questionedBryan Lorittsabout Peter Newman'sposition at the church. That is beyond me. We spent a weekend in Branson back in 06, when it was just getting started. -This post is focusing on Peter Newman due to his relationship with Fellowship Memphis. Knowing right from wrong and standing with innocent victims not protecting evil. Yes, lawsuits against churches/para church orgs have increased. I think that seems to be what has been created. Fellowship Memphis wouldnt have touched him with a ten-foot pole, much less hired him on staff. "We graduated college, we spent about 10 years away from Branson, just being free and clear of everything this town has to offer. I wish EO churches didnt meet at the same time as the House of Driscoll. They promote Jesus, not their own brand. I know a few lawyers (with Anabaptist leanings) who wont represent someone in a trial suit. Craig Heidemann, attorney for the plaintiffs, dubbed John Doe XII and John Doe XIII in court filings, declined to comment on the lawsuits during a brief interviewMonday. but how does God doesnt meet with them there when He has said, Its been more than a week since Shauna and Billys GoFundMe account has had any donations. He may be hired for the training aspect. Hes in the cesspool himself. Before that conversation I would have considered Pete to be one of few examples of what living out the faith looked like. It is a way of thinking from the authoritarian control to dumbing down or hiding heinous sin and selling cheap grace for the most evil of evils. He works to protect churches. So it kind of depends on what the issue is which type of investigation is required. Thats why I see it as a problem of the heart. And what a form of entitlement! Actually its a real problem. Up your alley! And because I know lawyers like this.and I am skeptical. Few do. I hope they win. And they need to suffer the repercussions of that, to show and send a message that you cannot take this lightly. Keith Dygert, another 34-year-old who grew up in Branson and currently lives there, filed a civil lawsuit that was later dismissed when "all parties agreed to a settlement," according to Missouri court records. Pete was one of the most passionate, enthusiastic and sincere (seeming) believers I had ever met. Too many want a big show of everything, with celebrities and entertaining music. Greg Love is more victim prevention. Church builders were contracted to build GWs Crawford ranch house. The electric bill is almost 300 this month due to the heat/humidity thank goodness its finally lowering in temp. He was imprisoned following his 2010 sentencing on seven. Perhaps Im just used to Christian lawyers who dont offer some services based on their convictions. Much needed. We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. How do I go about investigating a camp? I looked up this camp, and they are acting like nothing happened! I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. It is a way of life for them. A rare man. I wont argue that there are some self-serving lawyers and judges. Listen to the promptings. You were never taught soul competency which would necessitate those things? In light of all of that, Id rather have a church implement some sort of sexual abuse prevention program to mitigate the risk to children, than for a family to have to endure an uncertain legal process to seek justice for a violated child. Newman was a long time employeeof the camp but, under his family man, jovial, Christian exterior, there lived a monster. Why is this so *hard* for churches to get right? ", Another federal suit filed in Dallas claims camper was sexually abused over seven years at summer camp Kanakuk, The new suit says Newman developed a deeper and more trusting relationship with the boy, identified only as John Doe III, by phoning him directly at his home in Texas, by emailing him at his home in Texas, and by sending cards and letters to John Doe III at his home in Texas. The suit alleges this was part of Newmans grooming process and led John Doe III to more completely trust and believe. And Christians should stop giving their money to these abusive churches. First. More than 20,000 kids age 7-18 attend each summer. 1 priority. Yes, it looks like they went too far toward the OTHER extreme, resulting in creating an opening for the neo-Cal movement. There is NO excuse for any of this in Christianland since what happened with my Church was published and exposed some years ago; and it is known that the victims of those priests STILL suffer terribly. You can listen to the audio of my friends story at the link below. I would like to hear an explanation of why. We will never stop being sorry for the pain inflicted on victims. I know that people have a lot of problems with the conservative resurgence, but from my standpoint the sbc style baptists had got into such a mess that something needed done. He was desensitizing the children to sexually abuse them and violating all kinds of boundaries to achieve that. It just strikes me that if these churches et al were as concerned about legally protecting themselves from lawsuits stemming from harboring pedophiles (since its obvious they dont care about protecting children) as they are about legally protecting themselves from their flocks via church membership forms, everyone would be a lot better off. (Im sure there were campers getting together in high school but thats sort of normal). Cause I do. When a Christian has an encounter with a person like Newman, they have come to a crossroads. . If the problem is one of systems, then a non-punitive approach may be the best way to prevent problems in the future. How are people supposed to live believing they cannot trust themselves on basic things like this? HUG, I am sorry that happened. Much like turning the Titanic. What I came to see (up close and personal) is that they have convinced themselves (due to their success in their little kingdoms) that their ministry/message is blessed by God and nothing can be allowed to stain that. Sammy uploaded his videos to the internet so the threat of these videos being seen by the world looms to this day. Kanakuk leaders also have described convicted child molester Pete Newman as a lone predator but he wasn't the first or last abuser connected to the camp. If not, maybe it ought to be removed. Many will say to Me on that day, didnt we run Christian camps in your name, and publish books in your Name, and promote purity of doctrine and gender roles in your Name? I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. We must honor them with listening. So why do we need to keep being reminded that evil wears an attractive face? The members of the churches begin to demand the kind of things theyve heard or read about through these groups. Just My Personal Opinion but its abundantly clear to me that the least of these (women and children) do not matter to the men who lead / led Fellowship Memphis. Brian- you were groomed to think about this man the way you did. @ Lea: Reporter Gregory Holman was born and raised in Branson, mostly living in Taney County until 2003. If you keep this perspective, you will be an asset to churches and parachurch organizations. "We're going to try to renew our vows and do something different because of it. Churches that get caught in difficult sexual abuse cases usually try to downplay their relationship with the accused offender. The corruption will become more entrenched and more protected as they close ranks against The Other.Burwell wrote: A small independent Fellowship was what messed me up in the mid-Seventies. For the evangelical the evil world is the enemy/ opposition to be conquered. Its not just the few bad guys getting outed. Like The HUMBLE One Himself (chuckle chuckle)? It cannot be discerned by externals so much (as the theology it claims to hold, or denomination it belongs to) as it is discerned by what it actually produces over time. And it no longer felt likecounseling.". Our leadership programs, rigid hiring procedures, and low staff turn-over rates allow us to hiresummer camp staffthat are leaders in their schools, churches and communities. They were told to sign or resign, and many had the integrity to resign. Lol! I know that people have a lot of problems with the conservative resurgence, but from my standpoint the sbc style baptists had got into such a mess that something needed done. My daughter did a several hour training module to work for the YMCA. This is not entirely alien to non-sacramental thinking since do we not all experience the presence of God in prayer usually more than on the golf course. I also grew up going to Branson when I was young. I do think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. There has to be SOME concept of personal responsibility for decision-making, for actions taken . Pete began working at Kanakuk in 1995 as a counselor and then became a part of the K-Kountry leadership team in 1998. Instead, he feels called to raise awareness of sexual abuse in the church and help equip it. Why isnt anyone asking why? Even without intentions, entropy easily sets in over time and they can drift into serious Cult territory. All Very Righteous and Respectable and Christian(TM). Published: Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:49 PM PST. I was so agitated by the headline I said, nooooooooooooo a couple of times and upset my kitty Nicki, who left the room. At least thats how it feels. Their approach to the church is prevention. The mega churches I was familiar with kept the big powerful law firm in town on retainer. 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