in the Government. Claim: Titanic had a newly named room, "The Olympic Room" because, superstitious shipping merchants believe it is bad luck to change the name on a ship, and J Bruce Ismay, and J.P. Morgan thought it best to have the Olympic's name still somewhere on board. Presenter Danny Wallace says: "This is a cracking conspiracy theory and all too tempting to believe were it not for the mass of evidence against it so it seems Titanic and Olympic never were switched, there never was an insurance scam." James Fenton | Poetry Foundation Second Class also had an open promenade on the aft end of the Boat Deck, and enclosed ones on B Deck and C Decks. (Click to enlarge). Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. A statement supported by the attraction of more than 4,000 jobs and $1.4 B in Cap Ex. In the following photographs we can clearly see a curved wheelhouse under construction during Olympic's fitting out stage, firstly just prior to launch and secondly after the launch. Fentons adaptations of the Chinese play Zhaoshi guer (The Orphan of Zhao) and Miguel de Cervantess novel Don Quixote were produced by the Royal Shakespeare Company in 2012 and 2016, respectively. Under the circumstances it is perfectly logical. 10. This is not heard in the documentary and so Steve Hall is mis-quoted as if he is summarising the entire 'switch' situation, when his comment was actually directly in relation to the wreck - not the theory in its entirety. Two libretti and an oratorio were published as The Love Bomb (2003). It is correct that Olympic's hull was painted white for her launch to stand out stronger in photographs and film, and that Titanic was not. While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. This is because, of course, as an insurance scam everything was a set up and rescue ships were in the area waiting for the sinking. While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position Claim: Titanic's lifeboats had small brass I.D plaques screwed on them and they all said "RMS Olympic". not go to sea as Titanic with Olympic written on the bells. The Olympic deck plans show a curved wheelhouse: 2. Actually it is quite simply medium grey primer that was used on all three Olympic class ships, including Titanic, So in fact rather than proving a 'switch,' exploration of this suite only confirms that it is indeed Titanic that sank. bivalve shell layers 2020-11-29 23:19 . The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be The Turkish bath spaces were different. 1 2. Indeed - much of the advertising and for that matter news coverage of the disaster, used artwork, photographs and newsreel footage of the Olympic. (Click image to see the full, enlarged photograph). He also may have been confused with the Reception Room, which did indeed have wall-to-wall carpet on the Olympic. Not content with an insurance scam 'switch' he also proposes that Titanic (really Olympic) hit, not an iceberg, but an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. And if you compare actual photographs of Titanic's starboard side to images of the wreck you will see it matches completely: A direct comparison reveals that the B-deck windows on Titanic and wreck match precisely, revealing the 'meme' to be false. ", Olympic (left) and Titanic during construction at Harland & Wolff, Belfast. Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike, 27. This was because Olympic's patched-up hull could not take any long periods of high speed. Far from the wisdom of the brain. There is no reason to doubt that passengers cancelled their voyage aboard Titanic. Going aft he passes boat No. 46. Difference in number of Titanic's portholes Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage The Blue Vein River is broad and deep. We asked them the height of the berg and some said one hundred feet, others, sixty feet; one of the onlookers a motor engineer travelling to America with a model Titanic had a "slight, but permanent, list to port" as observed by Lawrence Beesley and "several other surviving passengers.". It was also carrying no passengers, at a time when due to the coal strike and so many ships confined to port there would be plenty of people eager to pay above the cost in cash to get to Boston. The swap was purely to keep the company in business. Corrections? Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins Irish. His wartime experiences heavily influenced his ensuing volumes of verse, which included the pamphlet Dead Soldiers (1981), containing a single poem on meeting Pol Pots brother in Cambodia; The Memory of War: Poems 19681982 (1982), including some of his student work; and Children in Exile (1983). It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. Also, as discussed in point number 16 above, there was less interest in Titanic's maiden voyage, as her older sister had proceeded her. However, in December 1911, during Titanic's fit out, she had 2 added to light the crews galley and wash room which resulted in a total of 16 as seen in the maiden voyage photographs. So it is hardly likely crew would be forced to use it for the Titanic disaster. off the bell. and came to the conclusion that while elements of Fenton's background can be validated James is a public writer - engag, as he probably doesn't like to say - and it is his poems about war, dictatorship and exile that have won him the PEN/Pinter award. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. 1)The well known (to some of you) James A Fenton, alias "Paddy the Pig", who in the early 1970s, hinted how the loss of the Titanic was not entirely accidental. Paddy also said 'The Olympic Room' In 1979 he became a theatre critic for The Sunday Times, for which he also later served as a book critic. There are other photographs of Titanic with similar liberties such as the shot of her in Cherbourg at night which has been heavily doctored to look as if it was taken at night with her lights blazing. As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? 19343. Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. 4. Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships. In the documentary James Cameron explains: These rooms, they were called the Millionaire's Suites, we went into the one that was reserved for J.P. Morgan. Difference in Titanic's windows on B deck The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. saw a lot of iceon the deck According to Titanic researcher Jonathan Smith, "The footing of the wheelhouse should be there, the teak lip that outlines the shape of the wheelhouse.". Paddy said that the guilt of Olympic's name is on the wreck Firstly it must be pointed out that Titanic was technically not going "full steam" at the time of the collision. 401: Titanic's propeller is on Olympic There are ample photographs online and in books of this area of Titanic for you to check for yourself. Olympic had an "overlap of the plates, or strakes" forward of the bow anchors (described as "the doubler forward at the bower anchors"), while Titanic was different in that "the strake butted up against the doubler and did not overlap it.". In both cases Gardiner made this claim up! Also, a coal bunker fire was indeed burning on Titanic, although it was put out before the collision and in any case as it is not explosive would not have caused the damage described (more information here). of her departure many outlets resorted to using photographs and footage of Olympic, leading to much confusion over the subsequent years. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). They were metal plates which were screwed on. Parisian (50 miles) Allan Line, Liverpool, England, Westbound, Glasgow - Halifax - Boston For example there are several photographs taken by newspapers aboard Titanic prior to its departure. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. However, this was not unique to Titanic. Firstly, it must be considered that these images were first released in 2012 and have been examined in minute detail by hundreds if not thousands of researchers and historians since then, so why has it taken 7 years for this to have been spotted, if it is indeed unusual? 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. Claim: Since an iceberg could not inflict such damage on a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic, it must have hit it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. This was the number that was given to Titanic when it was being built in Belfast, Ireland. Crewman refused to sail on Titanic His experiences there provided fodder for the poems in Manila Envelope (1989). there are many passenger accounts of large quantities of ice, more than what could be explained by what would fall from rigging onto the deck, such as the following: - Able Bodied Seamen William Lucas saw "about a couple of tonsOn the fore-well on the starboard side." Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. 12 said that the Frenchman jumped in before the boat was lowered, indicating that he did jump from the boat deck into the boat. This is completely false. The bulkheads were not actually sealed at the top, this oversight allowed water to flow over, filling each compartment, one at a time. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. 5. They also question why on the night of the collision the captain of the Californian decided to sleep fully clothed on a five and a half foot couch in the chart room and ordered that her boilers be kept fired up and the engines on standby. The answer to this is very simple: The name during her building and her sailing are in partly different positions because in the first construction image it was written over on the negative. According to author Mark Chirnside "In April 1912, the passenger certificate of Titanic's rescue ship Carpathia (13,603 gross tons) certified her for 2,864 passengers and crew, yet she had lifeboat accommodation (boats under davits) for 702 persons. Without evidential support it is merely another concocted claim. It is clearly in a different area. The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. Then there's the furniture: so heavy you could hardly lift it. Photographs taken of Titanic leaving Southampton also reveal a slight port list. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Firstly, a Harland & Wolff photograph of Olympic, taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, which shows her to have had a 'vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe'. However, They were only just entering the icefield. PRODUCED BY AIVL, WHOI Let's examine an 'actual' documented photograph of Titanic's starboard forward B-deck: Titanic's starboard side, taken around noon on April 11th, 1912, as she is anchored outside Queenstown, Ireland, to take on passengers. Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. To prove this claim 877-CALL NJH (877.225.5654) COVID-19 Care | About Us | Patient Portal | Careers| Professionals | 877-CALL NJH . I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. Fitting out photographs As far as I am Claim: The Californian had a cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets, as if they were ready for a rescue mission. performance, only two miles shy of Olympics best ever maiden voyage daily run, and she did that with only 21 Or is the answer because there is nothing there anyway? Most agree that the Titanic split just forward of the third funnel. 35. But this should not misconstrued as anything unusual, but common practice for a company which suddenly comes under media scrutiny and wants to maintain When the Titanic sailed on her maiden voyage in April 1912, the number of passengers that she was carrying was very similar to the number that was booked onto Olympic for her maiden voyage the year before. Fenton, F. -Saloon steward Ferrary, Auto -Trimmer Ferris, W. -Leading fireman . This is where Gardiner's theory starts to get even more bizarre. answer was to grind the names off the bells. 19345. Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. Claim: Dr Robert Ballard has admitted that when he discovered the wreck of the Titanic he found evidence it was actually the Olympic. Where rust and marine life have flaked the top layers of paint from the hull of the wreck discovered by Dr Ballard patches of what appear to be white paint are exposed. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the, 48. Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. Omissions? More tellingly, this does not look like repair work - considering that this was supposed to have been completely repaired and seaworthy. Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike 41. 44. 3. Compare it with the damage photograph below. 19344. Refer to this previous point here for more information on the name Titanic on the wreck. Once it was launched then it was 'fitted out' i.e. Carpathia was the planned rescue ship So Cameron confirms that the veins in the marble are exactly the same as in a period photograph, and the photograph he used is one of Olympic. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. Was this done deliberately to help with the switch? Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. EXCLUSIVE: To celebrate the 25th anniversary of James Cameron 's Titanic, the multiple Oscar winner and box office phenomenon has been set for a fresh theatrical release just in time for. Damage to the Olympic due to its collision with HMS Hawke. "It was a somewhat quiet affair.". - Leading Fireman Charles Hendrickson (British Inquiry, Day 5). In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". It was our intention if we had fine weather on Monday afternoon or Tuesday to In regard to J.P. Morgan cancelling "at the last minute," research by Mark Baber and posted on Encyclopedia Titanica actually reveals it to be an urban myth. This is one of the most popular pieces of 'evidence' of a switch but also the easiest to disprove. Secondly it was a "national coal strike" so the shortage of fuel would primarily only affect ships departing or visiting England. (Click to enlarge). Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. (Click image to enlarge). But this is not due to it being the Olympic. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. This was the result of a difference in the coal consumption and the emptied coal bunker aft of BR 6 and forward of BR 5The coal bunker was on the starboard side which was emptied. Ultimately, when asked about the Olympic 'switch' theory he went on record as saying the wreck is Titanic. Actually there were only 6 within a 140 mile radius. The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the Olympic His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. So does the post-disaster image of Olympic show the "doubler" overlapping or not? According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). Olympic's wheelhouse was not curved Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. But also there would be no need to. He claimed also that the crew had been ordered to sign the official secrets act. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking, 30. There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years Winning the prestigious Newdigate Prize at Oxford for his poem Our Western Furniture, Fenton seemed destined for poetic fame. It would have been a press scoop. The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. 4. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic To add more books, click here . Of course there is none. The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. The number 401, Titanic's shipyard number, is also on the Titanic's starboard propeller. She had not all her boilers on, none of the single-ended The Olympic and the Britannic were also consistent on the starboard side, with 15 portholes. And the Olympic is actually the Titanic. Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains further: "Ismay's sitting room was explored by James Cameron during his 2001 dives. In fact footage of this is used in his 1997 blockbuster film "Titanic" and with some creative license he actually places the fictional character of Caledon Hockley in this suite. He continues that on the starboard side Steward Wheelton met Thomas Andrews on B Deck and that the boats were visible from the corridor on B Deck. 11. Difference in port side joint plating In reality, Titanic's starboard B-deck windows were more narrow than the Olympic's as onboard Titanic these areas had been converted into two private verandahs and suites. If a number of people had cancelled because of some sort of fear of a switch or insurance scam going on, it seems very likely that they would have spoken out after the disaster. I saw a child who will never sleep. 3. The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. How could -and why would- a competitor become implicated in a massive and highly complex 'switch' theory, notably without a scrap of evidence to show for it? I was wondering if there was enough information available about the conspiracy theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article. keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. And there is evidence of 'white' paint on the hull of the wreck. Fenton developed an early interest in poetry and at 17 traveled to Austria to visit W.H. If not, it is a moot point. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau Marble in the Sitting Room In a similarly themed false claim, it is also stated that "when the supposed Olympic was taken out of service in 1935 (arriving in Jarrow, UK on October 13th 1935 to be stripped and broken down) part of the wood panelling and other parts including the Aft first class staircase, was taken and used in the White Swan Hotel, Alnwick, UK. The story come from Frank Finch, a retired seaman living in New South Wales, Australia, who wrote a letter to Interestingly, by the time of the Titanic disaster, Olympic's 14 portholes were also changed to 16 during her major refit, so in fact they were the same. 29. Their error is simple: actually Titanic would have been the same tonnage as Olympic i.e. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and was Oxford Professor of Poetry for the . Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking 14. No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. - Able Bodied Seaman Thomas Jones testified before the US Inquiry (Day 7), that he went on deck and could see some ice. And so we have established that the Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the windows on B-deck -which should not be surprising as two private verandahs and suites were added to this section of the ship after its launch. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the, 49. In 1973 Terminal Moraine (1972), his first full-length collection of poetry, won the Eric Gregory Award. Ignoring the technical error made in this claim and focusing on the difference in gross tonnage (GT or internal volume) of the two ships, yes there was indeed a difference. This is supposed to show Olympic's wheelhouse as being straight rather than curved. 2nd-class: 200 In fact the outlines of the letters are visible in part on the wreck, and the surviving White Star passenger tender Nomadic, built at the same time as Olympic and Titanic, shows exactly the same process. Those travelling east bound logically did not depart from England, and so were relatively unaffected by the coal strike. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston Hence the White Star Line and their publicity agents logically used photographs of her older twin sister instead. Since finishing touches were still being put to the ships accommodation, its hardly surprising that the public was not allowed onboard at Southampton. Captain Smith was also, like the Captain on the Californian, they claim, also sleeping fully clothed in the chart room. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the Olympic Ballard has subsequently written several books including "The Discovery of the Titanic" (1987), "Exploring the Titanic" (1988) until the most recent "Into the Deep - A Memoir From the Man Who Found Titanic"(2021) which all prove that he thought it was Titanic when he discovered her in 1985 and still believes it to be Titanic in 2021. Titanic prior to her departure on her maiden voyage. If he had indeed mentioned it at a presentation why did it not become substantial news at the time? Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic Some have analysed the footage concluding for example that the X-shaped viewing field seen in the video is caused by the camera rig's lighting. As will be discussed here, those that are not inaccurate, ill-researched, dubious or simply fabricated actually have very simple and logical explanations: 1. So there is nothing surprising with the fact that an iceberg caused enough damage to the starboard side (not bottom) of the hull so as to breach watertight compartments that eventually led to its sinking. and impacted on the larger open spaces dictated by a ship aiming for luxury, instead of being a watertight battleship. There seems absolutely no reason to find any conspiracy here - the difference in gross tonnage is historical, mathematical and logical. There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. The Titanic was carefully inspected nearly every day during her construction and again after arriving in Southampton. Considering the discovery of Olympic's name on the lifeboat(s) allegedly occurred at least twice, on different continents, and no doubt seen by at least several people, why there are no written accounts, sketches or photographs of at the very least the boat, let alone the discovery, should ring alarm bells in the mind of any serious researcher. 4. The Hawke impacted the Olympic in the stern area. The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. I think it is impossible that the Olympics keel was damaged in the collision, as Robin Gardiner speculates in his 1998 book Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank? Cameron's expedition showed it matched Titanic." The Olympic didn't even have a carpet, but the Titanic -- ah, you sank in it up to your knees. It was only when she collided with an iceberg in a freak set of circumstances that she was suddenly thrust back into the media spotlight. It began in January of 1912 Lack of documentation - there is a noticeable lack of specific documentation or references to prove this claim. Claim: Olympic could The fireplace filmed in 1995 and which partly was shown in the "Titanic" movie at the beginning were actually the fireplace of sitting room B 51 which was occupied by Mrs. Cardeza and her son. Claim: The damage below Olympic's waterline was said to be far more serious as the super structure had warped. . Also a sealed design would have restricted access to certain parts of the ship This particular claim began when Robin Gardiner stated in his book that when the name on the bow of the Titanic wreck was cleared of rust (allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck), the raised letters 'M, P & Y' were visible. The number 401 on Olympic woodwork the number of revolutions some time on Monday or Tuesday to 78, which he claimed would drive the ship at - Coming from Belfast to Southampton. Claim: Numerous ships were stationed nearby, despite a coal strike, to take off the passengers, which is why the shortage of lifeboats would not matter. 19. 45. THERE IS NO MORE THEORY. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. Thirdly, the description "numerous" is very misleading. The hearings following the Olympic/Hawke collision included a damage assessment of the Olympic which was agreed upon by both White Star and the Royal Navy, and stated that the Hawkes bow had penetrated eight feet into Olympics hull. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. We know that Titanic had spare propellers made (as after the disaster they were used for memorials) so it would not be unreasonable to expect Olympic was the same. Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? Linoleum flooring covered with carpets Albert Edward James* -Able bodied seaman Hosgood, R. -Fireman Hosking, G. F. -Senior third engineer . Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? In fact both Olympic and Titanic were launched with 14 portholes on the port side forecastle on C-Deck and 15 portholes on the starboard side of the same area. exploded and caused the fatal damage. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. Toggle navigation. 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