Or is it my dream for her? I think it is a huge red flag when even some of your professors are telling you that they feel bad that we the students are being put up through all that. what school are you going to? For those of you interested in studying medicine in the Caribbean, there are options apart from the for-profit off shore medical schools. These Caribbean programs are fast-paced so if you miss a class, you miss a lot and its hard to catch up. After starting rotations, half of the hospitals they were rotating with when I signed for an apartment said the school nulled their contract and we could no longer rotate with them (Norwegian Hospital, St. Marys and several others). I knew it would be impossible to afford a US medical school so I opted for the cheaper Caribbean medical schools. Ive read and heard that due to covid they were considering applications without the MCAT. and because AUC has smaller class size, Federal Financial Aid availability, good housing, and NBME exam access for all subjects. I hope your friend makes it through. Thanks for sharing! First of all, the school accepts way more than they can handle. but would really appreciate it if anyone can talk about their experiences at these 3 schools. I know this is a late response, but perhaps it might help others. I prefer to go to the beach, go hiking, or to a resort after an exam, than going to a bar in NYC during the wintertime. To illustrate this, consider the median costs of tuition, fees, and health insurance at allopathic medical schools during the 20202021 academic year: $39,150 (in-state, public medical schools) $63,546 (out-of-state, public medical schools) $64,053 (in-state, private medical schools). I have been hearing that SABA has a small class because a lot of students dont want to go there? I am still dying. But if this were my last option to becoming a physician I would still probably do it out of determination. I had about 6-8 very close friends that I went through the process with. I dont even know the writer but I know this situation all to well. Required GPA for entrance as of 2019 (newly instated): 2.0 on a 4.0 scale For profit school something fishy is going on. It is impressive what people can accomplish when motivated though but sad. Good luck! lol. So many fractured lives and lost dreams. Hi! Rules are going to be strict than you are used to. You will get homesick. If you did not pass the remedial, then you either had to repeat the entire semester or its over. That school is a very wicked and evil place: admit as many as you can with the intention of failing hundreds to balance the books. I went to SGU and withdrew in my second semester education was just really bad. This semester in my semester two class there were 130ish students. As per Columbia University's "Vaccine-Related Policies and Guidelines", COVID-19 vaccination is mandatory for all affiliates who will be on . We did not have the standing room only lectures as described by other posters. I remember an attending once told me that he preferred Caribbean students because he knows how hard we had to work to get to where we are now so that was nice to hear! The strategy some of the schools will employ is to just admit anyone with a bioscience background. I figured out everything is suck during clinicals. In the meantime, given I left that med school with no degree (came in right out of highschool), I continued my schooling in the US. We need you. Yes! If Psychological services are needed, they are also available for free. I luckily met you, Dr. Wible, and found out there were options for these feelings and that I was not alone in this process, med school can be hard. The fact I feel ashamed to disclose and never proud to announce it. you were given the option to give it a second try, but you had to start all the way from semester one. The curriculum is designed to cap and limit the knowledge of the student to ensure they will score within the USMLE score range to match into family/internal medicine. No sane person would give up their MD job in the US to teach at SJSM. People fail to do this homework and thats why they have a rude awakening when they get on the island. My advisor told me to just quit, it isnt for everybody and it only gets harder. (thank gawd I didnt listen to her.) More money for the school etc. In Canada, where access to medical schools and residencies thereafter is extremely competitive, Saba has earned a strong reputation through large numbers of placements in the Canadian Residency Matching System, or CaRMS. Although the Caribbean medical schools are not as good as the American ones, im thinking about studying medicine over there because I want to be a doctor so badly and ill Work really hard for it. Any advise from experience is very helpful.Thank you. We all know how important that test is, it pretty much defines what career specialty you will be able to get into. But rest assured that they had been red flagged by the U.S department of education. Only needed 1.2 years to graduate. Do these schools give kickbacks to hospitals in the States so that their students get experience and jobs? This school charges $45k per term and once you get to clinicals its $60k per term. 2. Hello, my friend has been accepted to SJSM fall 19 and has recommended the school to me. Saba medical school does have the disadvantage of not being able to qualify for US Federal financial aid, which may result in your paying a lot more in interest. If you honestly dont have the stats, dont look at the Caribbean as the backdoor to an MD because it really isnt. Circumstances will come; but you know yourself better. You will make a good healer at whatever level you practice healthcare. Some DO students do in fact take the USMLE as well, but a much smaller sample of DO students. I graduated from a Caribe school(Dom Republic) a long time ago at the onset of the surge of schools. unfortunately, these students are left with debt and broken hearts. Can you please kindly tell me what school you are talking about? My experience so far is a great one. AMCAS, AAMC etc. All of the time and sacrifice I made. You pay 10k for that, and are also a Slave. Is this really her dream? Unethical business practices Everything is poorly taught by profs with very thick foreign accents and there is no time to properly review the material. If things are too much, ask for help or if you really have to, its wise to let go and go to your plan B and C. Hi please I really need help and direction I will appreciate if we can talk am a Nigerian too considering going to the medical school in carebbean,please contact me. You sound like youve been contacted by the faculty of sgu and asked to write a counter piece my friend. Theyre for profit. The fee structure for the University is different for different departments and there is a fee for the admission process as well. I will most likely attend Johns Hopkins and do a fellowship with Yale, but I know the road wont be easy. How hard is it to get into Saba medical school? While Saba used to have class sizes about 120 just a few (2-3) years ago, and can easily fit those sizes into their lecture theatres, however the total student population for all five semesters combined is now below this and the average class size for semesters 1 and 2 is below 20. Medicare and Medicaid programs support residency trainings, and the National Health Service Corps awards grants and loans to medical students in exchange for service in needier regions. crashes. 1. Saba University School of Medicine is one of the world's leading international medical schools, with nearly a 30-year history of educating outstanding physicians. Hi, I would like to get in contact with you just to speak to you and ask you a couple of questions about attending medical school in the Caribbean, would that be possible by any change? Meanwhile, the cost of medical school has skyrocketed; the median student debt for the class of 2016 was a hundred and ninety thousand dollars. You see that with relationships, after many years marriages that no-one ever thought will fail, fail. When I was applying to medical school there were so many of my undergraduate friends going off-shore to these schools. Instead, he applied himself and has a science post grad degree. Island conditions were diplorable and I personally had a room infested with cockroaches and spiders. The fact is the 750 number is out-dated and the student to library seating ratio has been worsening with their swift marketing tactics to bring in more students every semester(me included-got suckered into their libel). It WAS Bad, because Mexicans hate us Gringos. The Gobernacion gave us a bad time with our visas, if we registered our cars from America legally, it was Hell. Dont make things harder than they should be? Choose SGU. I miss her. in mid-January! How is a student from South Africa going to challenge a wrongful dismissal? However, the requirements to get into these schools are much higher because they know that the students they are admitting will do the extra work and go above and beyond to be successful. It seems hard for an offshore med student who passes all of the same exams as a stateside student (they have to, its mandatory, and no there are no shortcuts) to be somehow vastly inferior to the point of them being incompetent compared to stateside students. Well enough that they can answer any NBME and/ or Step 1 question regarding these subjects. What strikes me is that its too bad this degree of effort was not put in by the majority of the enrollees while in undergrad school. When I tried to comeback I was forced to do a re-admission process and was denied re-entry, I was told by one of the members of the admission committee (who was a dear professor) that the dean stepped in personally to block my re-entry. I, myself had my apartment broken into at 3am and experienced face to face confrontation with the intruder. There is no ugly truth, but hope and that is worth a great deal. I guess that is the most important thing is accreditation not necessarily the US medical schools are producing great doctors. Please give your reflections, recommendations, regrets, etc. But i think it doesnt mean at all universities are less worthy. EMTs? So much money in US Defense, undergrad diploma mills, etc. I am an older student with grown up kids. You have to be really open to surprises if you want to take a journey to a Caribbean school. This is a business to them so they highlight only the good to lure you in. Also how would students find out the truth? People that do that end up suicidal. It was hell, and they only cared about the money. I really do want SJSM to succeed, because their success is good for me too. Is that you? Seriously. I apologize for the rent, I tried to make it somewhat objective and not opinionated but Im just a human with anger and disappoint. In terms of being a good school that means its one of the best in the region. I matched and Im happy but its not a path Id recommend to just anyone. Build more schools, There simply is not enough schools and hospitals. My advice, from my heart of hearts, and which I can only give in good conscience, is that you absolutely should not attend Saba University School of Medicine. go through an interview process with the organization. I was in Mexico 1976 at the most recognized of foreign medical schools, Universidad Autonoma Guadalajara. Never really read whole book. Do your own research, if thousands have come through the school and became doctors, why cant you? I would still go back to med school if some things changed. Youve met 1.9 GPA no-MCAT med students. If you want to be one of those few that make it to writing the USMLE and beyond, you need to be tough and have a great support system in place. Informed consent. Besides meeting the admissions criteria, its as good idea as any to make sure you follow the process as smoothly as you can. I know of a class that started off semester 1 with 45 students. Some people just concentrate on what is going on in class and the positives and not dwell too much on what they cant change. Also, they dont even get sick days. Unfortunately for some, you do have to crack open a textbook once in awhile. Chukwumah I will like to get in touch with you. Its literally a curriculum on crack. The newly lowered gpa requirement is in place so that they can get more tuition money even though it means that an even higher percentage of students wont make it through the program. I have tons of research and Clinical exp as well. In 2016, she was accepted to a residency program in family medicine at a hospital in Hendersonville, North Carolina. Regarding emotional distress, as any medical school, anxiety and depression are the major problems but the suicidal rate is extremely low in this school. My name is saron and Im a dreamer who would like to be a great physician and I was wondering if any one would like to help me about the reall truth in caribbean MS because Im really thinking enrolling in it. You will never see, touch, dissect, or watch a human dissection at AUA. You just drop out when you run out of money.. 400 students accepted. I experienced very similarly what David did. They ALSO DID THIS WITH MY OTHER FRIEND. Do you also have children. Do you need health insurance to go to Saba University? Medical school is hard, it is going to be hard no matter where you go. Which is disappointing to hear. Thats the Real Mexico! All of the disappointments. I personally believe that the greater part of the problem lies right here, in the United States of America. Will anything ever be done about that evil institution? When we unite as a profession to PROTECT one another and not allow our colleagues to fall and be preyed upon we will finally have real health care. Luckily there are post-bac programs, special masters programs and even night pre-req classes available to pre-meds that are motivated but still just below the bench mark of being accepted. SJSM entices financially vulnerable students with financing that hinges on students enrolling in online masters programs through schools like Walden University. Most of you will not get the plum specialtiesonly primary care. The reputable programs do produce results but their will be tremendous risk attached to trying to become a doctor via a Caribbean program. Do you mind telling me if your classes were huge like SGU or more manageable? I think you are looking for the pros and cons of studying at all saints St. Vincent. I have been a malpractice lawyer for over 20 years and have sued plenty of bonehead US Medical School graduates. But I also still believe that you can become a top doctor without attending a top-tier school! Keep in mind, that many students drop out because they dont get used to the island, they miss their families, some cases in which a parent die and they cannot continue studying medicine, some of them do not qualify for loans, students get overwhelm, some suffer of anxiety or/and depression and cant deal with classes, classes are too hard for some of them, students dont like the curriculum, they dont like the professors, or it could be that there are Caribbean schools that really suck. Would you? That being said, you have to really think about how badly you want to be a doctor, because no matter what anyone says; the islands are another country. Racist much!!! Yet the goal to expland and expedite all INTO ONTO THE USA neurtralizationat warp speed PS curing COVI the internationalist were permitted to take their entrance exams into Med Schoolon their own. Also keep in mind that these schools do let a surplus of students in, even students who dont quality. All of that work for someone to tell you to just quit. I then went into a depression and felt numb. Hi Dr Wible!I just happened to come across this blogging. It is not my intention to sound like a d*%k. Could you guys give the honest opinions? Hasnt worked anywhere. US grads could be taken into Residencies but not an IMG without Part II, So I still dont have a license today and tons of student loan debt because of several family catastrophies, including my husband passing and catastrophic illness of one of my children. Trust me and stay tuned. Personally, Im thankful for the experience because, despite the intense, God awful stress I endured. Regarding emotional distress, as any medical school, anxiety and depression are the major problems but the suicidal rate is extremely low in this school. Life outside of the USA could be better or worse for you, just know that it wont be the USA. After my undergrad, I just went to the PA route and I just spent 2 years of my life working for minimum wage in order to complete the 500 hour minimum requirement. No shade. Thank you for taking the time to write this. Yes. 75% of Sabas students go on to graduate, attain a medical degree and then find residency (usually in internal or family medicine). The FMGEMS eliminated many of us, before it, itself was eliminated in around 1990. Their tuition works out to just about 80K and they have licensed Doctors practicing in residency all across the United States. So here am I with no way to support myself after putting in all that effort (which given all youve heard plus while having a family). Compared to U.S. or Canadian schools, however, especially those with strong rankings thanks to research, etc., it's definitely not as good. There are lots of lawyer at USA for wrong thing so why there no lawyer for any kids and fix the system? Since the area of research has increasing become narrower and narrower, and the focus has become primarily molecular, the benefit of having research based experts is increasingly questionable. There are double standards in the way you will be treated in residency. 3. You must compete with the affirmative action quotas whose candidates typically score below the average entry score for most schools. This was quite an interesting read. You will be required to be in class and you have to find a way to learn in and out of class if your classes are too long. I looked at the USMLE stats, match rate, cost and class size and chose Saba. 6 Do you need health insurance to go to Saba University? But one thing most people dont assess is their abilities. I have been back and fourth on the idea of low tuition, small classes and the possibility of accomplishing a dream. They say they care about the students, but they dont know how bad it is to wait a year after graduation. This is reality in Canada today. If you dont mind Ill like to talk to you as regards getting an MD degree in the Caribbean. This practice is used against faculty as well, who also have to rent, creating an overall environment of stress and anxiety for everyone at the university that makes it not worth living there, even if you can afford losing thousands arbitrarily. They throw us all against the wall and whoever sticks gets to stay, whoever falls they leave behind. you can sail anywhere you want. Never had any disciplanary actions on my record. My Boss wanted me to be his business partner in this! Sadly some of my friends are figuring this out the hard way, many of which have fallen into alcohol or drug abuse etcsimply to deal with the stress and everything that they have to put up with at this school. (1) Yes, Ive heard SGU did overfill one of their classes. I am sorry that you had such a horrible experience. i am looking to apply to Ross, SABA and AUC. For those undecided to come to the Caribbean, If you tried to apply to US medical schools and havent been accepted at least twice, I would recommend doing a research about Caribbean schools, talk to your family about your decision and stop stereotyping Caribbean medical schools. Before exam night cram so many questions into my brain and in hope will get enough correct to pass. There is no Caribbean school that will tell you there is a 40% fail out rate in their school. Your post has caused me to stop, pause, and think. Will anything ever be done about that evil institution? My parents always tell me those students who perform really well dont have two headsso you can do it too. Failure is thinking things will always work the way you want them to. My interpretation of Dr. Davids article is that he was making the point on the high attrition rate and questionable practices of for-profit medical schools. Add to that the fact that class attendance is compulsory, sometimes until 5pm, so you need to show up to those redundant classes that arent adding to your knowledge, and you wont have time to get through by studying on your own either. I only read 1/4 of what you wrote. But over time things clicked and I came into my own and surpassed those who trained me. You can go to the beach for an hour EVERY day! I will take it a step further by stating that many of these places, unfortunately, have wicked people who prey on the students due to the perception that they are wealthy foreigners. This school forces ALL international students (who started from premed, straight out of high school) do 6-7 extra months of classes, where in this time they will earn a BACHELORS DEGREE! When it comes to other facilities around campus, since Ive been here theyve been constantly constructing new buildings and expanding space where they can. 5. I took the Princeton review course to prepare for the MCAT since I have been out of undergrad some 30 years. DISCLOSURE: This page may contain affiliate links, meaning when you click the links and make a purchase, we receive a commission. I wont go into every detail, but SGUs Dept of Educational Services offers meets all throughout the week where students can learn the material that is being taught in class, in a smaller setting. My family member has failed two semester and appeal for financial aid. I have not let this stop me from reaching out for my dream to practice Medicine. sticker every few months, and got a new one. If its in a suburban area, watch out for The end goal of these schools is to help the student pass the board and match into a residency. The first two years of medical is about preparing you to pass Step 1. More than 3,000+ Saba graduates now practice medicine across the U.S. and Canada, and their ongoing success has helped cement Sabas reputation as a leading medical school. And almost none of that is left. I work with several physicians who are IMG. They are going to do what they do best, so you better be ready to do what you do best and hope you make it where you wanna reach. YAY!. I am particularly interested to know whether these students are more likely to end up in hospitals of last resort, where they may be more likely to get away with mistakes. He is one of the best (if not the best) medical student in his clinical rotations out of almost 100 medical students at a well-known US medical teaching ccenter. For those willing to succeed and work hard this school has provided an opportunity for that dream. This is not undergraduate, welcome to the majors. [4] You may have to sit down and open a book. They are online and in term four. The recent 2019 sgu average step 1 score decreased from the years prior. Read: >>> Top Ranking Universities in USA Admissions Rolling admissions. Do your research before making a commitment to attend any for profit medical school. The UWI was recently ranked 37th among leading universities in Latin America and the Caribbean by the UK Times Higher Education. For students who are really struggling to get into medical schools at home, due to super competitive requirements, it could be a solid option. Student Mentor. Remember this is your DREAM, never forget that. I would also like some feedback on Ross University vs SABA vs AUC. The guy didnt even know simple generic names for Zyrtec or such a thing as pericarditis. Heck yes its harder than a school in the United States! Is Saba a good med school? I only applied to Ross and St. George because I knew my chances to get into a U.S medical school was slim to none. I am an Air Force vet. AUA should have built new library instead. However, very fast pace curriculum and dont you learn anything deeply. But the biggest take home message I received from this was that this is how were training our physicians in a time where we need heath care practitioners of all types more than ever. Chances are, you will fail. Does anyone see this as a call for help ? Support? But you have an edge if you spoke the language because they articulate and use anecdotes that is applicable to the most people. Hello, please does any know about SABA university and if it is a good school because am thinking of applying there. Stop going to the beach every afternoon. If one falls below 80% attendance they are automatically failed in the course. So if youre still deciding what to do. Just facts. Every bit of it. I found out making excuses whether valid or not just doesnt flow on the islands; it is just a recipe for failure. First of all, lets get one thing straight here. (Major Pros & Cons), s AUC A Good Medical School? I know countless ex-caribe Med students that are in limbo now and owe thousands of dollars in loans with nothing to show for it!. I also teach 2 med-school courses at a the university. There were congressional attempts to stem to the tide offshore. Now, if you have the scores to go in the states, then definitely apply! Im from Nigeria and I am processing my admission with Caribbean medical university school of medicine (CMU). I have a dilemma that my dgtr who wants to become a dr is in 3 rd year and has low gpa of 3 and interested in Caribbean schools and wants to go there ASAP Stop going to Bananas to party. Online search? There are waterfalls to jump off of and mountains to hike, and the friends that you make will be the best friends youve ever had in your life. The tuition and fees listed above apply, on the one hand, to matriculants on or before the May 2021 semester and, on the other hand, to matriculants on or after the September 2021 semester as the case may be. Hi Sandy, Im in a somewhat similar situation trying to decide on Caribbean schools. in a Good suburb of Newark. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Hey what are the cons that youve heard about ross. I saw SJSM as an opportunity but I really could not bare going through it all knowing no one is actually making it to residency and that the school would be closing??? If you really need to be a doctor and have the ability to learn, may be the world has a place for you to get that done. This student must have never taken the time to get to know a PA, NP, nurse, EMT, or any other healthcare provider for that matter, because these people are actually capable of making some changes in the world and almost all of us do. We had a Siesta in between the morning and afternoon classes, but this meant having to commute twice. But I spoke to a physician assistant, who was a doctor from Lebanon, and she changed my whole life around. There are foreign nationals who also compete for the limited number of seats. I couldnt emphasize on that more. The others that leave really do just get sick of the abuse and the stress and just zone out. If you cheated or something, theyd Everything has a risk, even getting accepted in the US has a risk. If they need to cut down class size numbers, the heads of the departments are told to use a more difficult test bank by the Dean. Compared to other Caribbean schools, my school is eligible for US government loans and it offers many scholarships to its students. Fuck the rest, excuses included. So before applying, you absolutely have to RESEARCH! Hes a 3rd year med student, end of year and dude is clueless. There are pros and cons for each of course. However, they then added more seating and increased their use of the alternative learning track called ITI (basically allows students to learn in small groups instead of attending a traditional lecture.) SJSM does not pay their faculty well. The school also offers yoga and meditation classes, volleyball, soccer, basketball, tai chi, spinning, kick boxing, jiu jitsu, dancing classes, and many more that I dont remember. In my opinion, if you cant succeed at SGU, then you would absolutely never succeed at a US medical school. So the fact that you learned medicine, means you can utilize it to save lives when needed, or expand it in any career path as an assistant or team-player helping patients. Also, Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the U.S. and Canada. Used to study questions pretest, Lange books, and work backwards onto notes. AUC is getting approved by GMC within the next 4 months fyi. Nurses? The rest probably have IQs lower than average (most doctors fall between 108 and 130 and money is getting them through these programs. Although its not that much of a big deal, it could look odd on some residency applications. Amazing. However, because many of the offshore schools have a lower requirement for entry, many of you are afforded the opportunity to achieve your dream. We need you. Maybe you had some serious setbacks during undergrad and you got a less than stellar gpa as a result. 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